2017 Ford F-150 complaints

WHILE THERE IS A RECALL (17V652) FOR CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2015-2017, IT DOES NOT COVER MY JUNE 2017 BUILT VEHICLE. THE DOOR LATCH FREEZES DAILY ON A 4 MONTH OLD VEHICLE ANY DAY WHICH IS BELOW 32 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. THE DOOR WILL NOT LATCH LEAVING THE SAFETY OF ANYONE SITTING IN THE REAR SEAT VULNERABLE. IT IS NOT THE LOCK ACTUATOR OR THE RUBBER SEAL, BUT THE ACTUAL DOOR LATCH NOT CATCHING. THE FORD DEALER STATED THAT THERE WAS ICE, BUT THIS VEHICLE IS NOT COVERED UNDER THE RECALL. AFTER SITTING THEIR GARAGE FOR TWO HOURS IT FINALLY LATCHED. ONLY ONE DOOR CONSISTENTLY DOES THIS (RIGHT REAR). THE VEHICLE STAYS OUTSIDE AND IS NOT GARAGE KEPT.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. WHILE OPERATING THE VEHICLE AT VARIOUS SPEEDS AND TURNING IN EITHER DIRECTION, THE REAR DRIVER AND PASSENGER SIDE DOORS WOULD SUDDENLY UNLATCH AND OPEN. THE FAILURE OCCUR WHILE THE DOORS WERE IN THE LOCKED POSITION AND WHEN THE WEATHER TEMPERATURE WAS BELOW 15 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE LOCAL DEALER (CORRY FORD, 13626 RT.6, CORRY, PA 16407) AND REPAIRED PER NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 17V652000 (LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES); HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED. AFTER REPAIRING THE VEHICLE A SECOND TIME, THE FAILURE CONTINUED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT YET REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 15,000. *TT CONSUMER STATED DOOR DOESN'T SHUT AND LATCH DOES NOT WORK. UPDATED 12/13/18*JB

MY DRIVERS DOOR DOES NOT "LATCH" WHEN I CLOSE IT. IT APPEARS THIS OCCURS WHEN BELOW FREEZING. I SEE FORUMS ABOUT BEING WET/FREEZING. MINE HAPPENS IN NORMAL COLD/NON WET CONDITIONS AS WELL. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO A LOCAL FORD DEALER FOR SERVICE, THEY TOLD ME THEY DON'T HAVE PARTS COME BACK NEXT WEEK, I DID. THEY SAID THERE'S NO FIX AND THEY MIGHT WANT A WATER TEST. AT THIS POINT I HAVE NO INTENTION OF BEING INCONVENIENCED BY THEIR BLUNDERING AND GUESSING. I TOLD THEM TO CALL ME WHEN THEY HAVE A FIX. I SELL MERCEDES-BENZ PRODUCTS SO I EMPATHIZE WITH RECALLS HOWEVER I AM BEYOND FRUSTRATED THAT I DRIVE TO WORK HOLDING MY DOOR SHUT. I HAVE READ MANY FRUSTRATING SITUATIONS CONCERNING THIS ON THE FORUMS. IT SEEMS THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2015. IT IS DISTURBING THAT FORD CAN'T COME UP WITH A DEPENDABLE SOLUTION IN ALMOST 3 YEARS. MY VEHICLE IS NOT ON THE RECALL LIST BUT I AM HAVING THE PROBLEM. THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

I AM HAVING THE EXACT SAME ISAUE AS FORD RECALL 17C01, NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER 17V053000 WHERE IN COLD CLIMATES THE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER DOESN'T WORK UPON STARTING THE TRUCK. THIS RECALL IS FOR 2017 FORD F150S BUILT IN THE DEARBORN, MI PLANT, BUT WAS NOT EXTENDED TO MY 2017 FORD F150BUILT IN THE DEARBORN, MI PLANT. THIS ISSUES HAS HAPPENED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. WHILE DRIVING, THE FRONT DRIVER'S DOOR OPENED INDEPENDENTLY. AS THE DRIVER ATTEMPTED TO CLOSE THE DOOR, THE VEHICLE CRASHED INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE. THE AIR BAGS DID NOT DEPLOY. A POLICE REPORT WAS FILED. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE DRIVER SUSTAINED HEAD, NECK, AND BACK INJURIES THAT REQUIRED MEDICAL ATTENTION. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO SPRINGFIELD FORD LINCOLN (50 BALTIMORE PIKE, SPRINGFIELD, PA 19064), BUT WAS NOT DIAGNOSED. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED PER NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 17V652000 (LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES); HOWEVER, THE REMEDY FAILED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 3,200. *TT *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. THE CONTACT STATED THAT ALL THE DOORS ON THE VEHICLE FAILED TO LATCH. THE CONTACT CALLED AN UNKNOWN DEALER AND WAS INFORMED THAT NOTHING COULD BE DONE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE CONTACT CALLED ANOTHER UNKNOWN DEALER AND WAS INFORMED THAT THE FAILURE WOULD HAVE TO BE DUPLICATED. THE VIN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 17V652000 (LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES). THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE AND ADVISED THE CONTACT TO TAKE THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 8,000.

TAKATA RECALL I WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT WHILE DRIVING MY 2017 FORD F150 ON DECEMBER 20, 2017. THE DRIVER AIR BAG CURTAIN DEPLOYED AND TRAPPED MY HEAD DOWN AGAINST MY LEFT SHOULDER. THE BAG DID NOT DEFLATE, SO I WAS FORCED TO RETRIEVE MY KNIFE FROM MY BELT AND CUT THE BAG OPEN. THE CONTENTS OF THE BAG QUICKLY FILLED THE CAB WITH WHITE POWDERY SMOKE WHICH I INHALED. I NOW HAVE ROUGH BREATHING WHILE INHALING. I HAVE BEEN TO MY DOCTOR AND WAS PRESCRIBED AZITHROMYCIN 250MG PAK TAB TEVA. THIS WAS A TEMPORARY CURE, BUT THE ROUGH BREATHING IS AGAIN PRESENT. PLEASE PROVIDE THE PROPELLANT NAME IN THESE AIRBAGS, SO I WILL KNOW HOW TO TREAT MY PROBLEM.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE DOOR LATCHES BECAME FROZEN AND FAILED TO OPERATE. WHILE DRIVING 5 MPH, THE DRIVER'S DOOR OPENED AUTOMATICALLY AND THE INTERIOR LIGHTING ILLUMINATED. THE CONTACT HAD TO HOLD THE DRIVER'S DOOR CLOSED WHILE DRIVING. THE FAILURE OCCURRED MANY TIMES IN COLD TEMPERATURES. THE CONTACT CALLED VARSITY FORD DEALER AT (734) 996-2300 (LOCATED AT 3480 JACKSON RD, ANN ARBOR, MI 48106) AND WAS INFORMED THAT PARTS WERE NOT AVAILABLE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 3,000. *TT THE CONSUMER STATED WATER SHIELDS WERE ADDED TO ALL DOORS 02/-5/2018, BUT DOORS STILL FREEZE AND OPEN WHILE VEHICLE IS IN MOTION. *TR

I WAS SHOCKED AT THE NUMBER OF F150'S ON THE WEB WITH BRAKE PEDALS SUDDENLY GOING TO THE FLOOR DURING ALL TYPES OF STOPPING SITUATIONS. THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO SPAN 2016-17 MODELS REGARDLESS OF ENGINE. IT STARTED YESTERDAY WITH A FREEWAY OFF-RAMP FAILURE AND PUT ME IN THE MIDDLE OF A RELATIVELY SAFE INTERSECTION TODAY... NO BRAKES. I'VE SEEN MASTER CYLINDERS REPLACED TO DEALERS STATING THAT IS THE NORMAL OPERATION. THAT LAST PART IS PRETTY LAME... BRAKE PEDAL GOING TO THE FLOOR? THE BRAKE INITIALLY SEEMS TO WORK AND THEN THE PEDAL SINKS SLOWLY TO THE FLOOR WITH NO BRAKING FORCE AT THAT POINT. AT A FULL STOP IN PARK, I CAN REPEAT THE FAILURE. TOUCH THE BRAKE AND IT APPEARS TO BE OK. QUICKLY TOUCH IT AGAIN AND IT IMMEDIATELY SINKS TO THE FLOOR. APPARENTLY KNOWLEDGEABLE DEALER INDICATED THAT THERE MAY BE AN ABS SOLENOID STICKING CYCLING BRAKE FLUID BACK TO THE RESERVOIR INSTEAD OF BEING APPLIED TO BRAKE PRESSURE. THIS SOUNDED MUCH MORE LOGICAL THAN REPLACING THE MASTER CYLINDER UNLESS THE ABS IS INTEGRATED INTO IT IN SOME MANNER.

DURING BELOW FREEZING TEMPERATURES AFTER HEAVY RAIN THE DRIVERS SIDE FRONT DOOR WOULD NOT LATCH WHEN ATTEMPTING TO CLOSE IT. AFTER ROUGHLY 45 MINUTES WITH THE VEHICLE RUNNING, AND HEAT ON THE DOOR CLOSED PROPERLY. THE NEXT DAY IT HAPPENED AGAIN. 1/18/18 AND 1/19/18 WERE THE DATES OF OCCURRENCES.

DRIVING DOWN THE INTERSTATE CRUISE SET AT 70 MPH HIT A COUPLE SMALL PATCH SPOTS AND THE THE STEERING WHEEL WENT CRAZY JERKING AROUND LIKE I HAD A BLOWOUT. I MERGED TO THE APRON OF THE INTERSTATE TO SLOW AND STOP. WHEN I WAS ALMOST STOPPED THE JERKING QUIT. I NOTIFIED DEALERSHIP AND TOOK IT TO THEM THEY FOUND NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TRUCK. I STARTED RESEARCH MYSELF AND THE PROBLEM IS KNOWN AS A DEATH WOBBLE. VERY DISAPPOINTING FROM A NEW TRUCK WITH 8000 MILES ON IT. THERE ARE SEVERAL VIDEOS OUT THERE OF THIS PROBLEM. FORD NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BEFORE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE KILLED.

THE TRUCK HAS A RECALL 17S33 INVOLVING DOORS NOT LATCHING DUE TO WATER. MY TRUCK HAS THIS ISSUE AND THE DEALER CANNOT OBTAIN THE PARTS. I'VE CALLED FORD TWICE AND JUST GET REFERRED TO THE DEALER WHO CAN'T HELP ME. AFTER MY TRUCK IS WASHED, THE DRIVERS SIDE REAR DOOR FAILS TO LATCH CAUSING THE WARNING SIGNAL TO ACTIVATE AND INTERIOR LIGHTS TO COME ON.

REAR PASSENGER DOOR WINDOW SHATTERED AS I WAS DRIVING ON THE FREEWAY. DID NOT SEE OR FIND EVIDENCE OF ANYONE HITTING WINDOW.

THE NEW FORD PICKUPS HAVE THERE FRONT SIGNAL LIGHTS BETWEEN THE TWO HEADLIGHTS. THE TWO HEADLIGHTS ARE ALWAYS ON WHETHER ON LOW OR HIGH BEEM MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE THE TURN SIGNAL LIGHTS GOING.

THE DRIVER DOOR WOULD NOT LATCH. IT TOOK 4 HOURS OF A HEATER IN A GARAGE AND SOME FORCE TO GET DOOR TO LATCH. THE ACTUAL LATCH WOULD WORK, BUT THE NOB IN THE CAR WOULD NOT WORK. THE OUTSIDE HANDLE ALSO WORKED, BUT FELT LIKE IT WAS NOT ENGAGING. I DID HAVE TO HOLD THE DOOR CLOSED WHOLE I DROVE HOME FROM THE STORE.

DOOR LATCH RECALL ' MY F150 FALLS OUTSIDE THE DOOR LATCH RECALL DATES FORD PROVIDED, HOWEVER, MY TRUCK IS EXPERIENCING THE EXACT SAME DEFECT. ANYTIME THE WEATHER FALLS BELOW FREEZING MY DOORS WILL OPEN AND CANNOT BE CLOSED AS THE MECHANISM INSIDE THE DOOR WILL NOT ENGAGE. MY TRUCK CANNOT BE USED IN FREEZING WEATHER. FORD NEEDS TO EXTEND THE RECALL NOTICE BEYOND THEIR INITIAL DATES (PURELY DONE TO LIMIT THEIR LIABILITY!!!!). IT IS DANGEROUS TO OPERATE A VEHICLE WITH DOORS THAT WILL NOT CLOSE!!!

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. THE CONTACT RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBERS: 17V671000 (POWER TRAIN) AND 17V526000 (SEAT BELTS). THE CONTACT WAS UNABLE TO GET THE RECALL COMPLETED DUE TO AN INTERNAL ISSUE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE MANUFACTURER EXCEEDED A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE RECALL REPAIR. MCCLARY FORD INC (1104 US HWY 72 E, ATHENS, AL) WAS CONTACTED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE ISSUE AND WAS NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM WHEN THE PARTS WERE TO BECOME AVAILABLE. THE CONTACT HAD NOT EXPERIENCED A FAILURE. PARTS DISTRIBUTION DISCONNECT.

WIND NOISE IS HEARD COMING FROM BOTH FRONT DOORS. DEALER CLAIMS THIS IS A KNOWN ISSUE WITH THE NEW ALUMINUM BODY BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A FIX. THE 10 SPEED TRANSMISSION SHUTTERS AT RANDOM.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 40 MPH WITH CHILDREN IN THE VEHICLE, THE FRONT PASSENGER DOOR OPENED. FOR 45 MINUTES, THE CONTACT WAS FORCED TO SECURE THE DOOR WITH A BUNGEE CORD. THE DEALER CONFIRMED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 17V652000 (LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES). THE VEHICLE WAS PURCHASED BRAND NEW IN JULY OF 2017. THE LINKAGE ON THE DOORS THAT SHOULD PROPERLY SECURE THE LOCKS IN THE CLOSED POSITION MALFUNCTIONED ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION. IT WAS UNKNOWN IF THE MANUFACTURER OR THE DEALER WERE CONTACTED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 2,500.

DRIVER AND PASSENGER FRONT DOORS WILL NOT LATCH ALL THE TIME. HAS BEEN TO THE DEALERSHIP TWICE. FIRST TIME THEY DID A TEMPORARY FIX. THE 2ND TIME ON DECEMBER 29, 2017 IT WAS LOOKED AT A 2ND TIME AND A 'PERMANENT FIX' WAS APPLIED TO THE DOOR LATCHES. AFTER PICKING THE TRUCK UP IT IS STILL NOT FIXED. FORD IS PUTTING OUT FAULTY PERMANENT FIXES. THE TRUCK WAS PARKED WHEN I NOTICED THE PROBLEM WAS NOT FIXED. THE PASSENGER DOOR TOOK 15 TRIED TO LATCH CLOSED. DRIVERS DOOR TAKES 3-5 TRIES TO RT TO CLOSE.

THE DRIVER'S SIDE DOOR WILL NOT LATCH . THE DOOR WILL NOT STAY CLOSED IN COLD WEATHER. IN NOVEMBER 2017 I RECEIVED A NOTICE TELLING ME OF THE PROBLEM AND HOW TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. THE DEALERSHIP TELLS ME THERE ARE NO PARTS TO FIX THE PROBLEM. THE TRUCK IS UNSAFE TO DRIVE. THE SAFETY RECALL NUMBER IS 17S33/ NHTSA RECALL NUMBER IS 17V-652.

ON LABOR DAY THIS PAST YEAR (9/4/2017) I PURCHASED MY FORD RAPTOR FROM FIVE STAR FORD OF PLANO IN PLANO, TX. I ALSO TRADED IN MY CURRENT 2013 FIAT ABARTH 500. WHEN THE PERFORMANCE SALES MANAGER WAS SHOWING ME HOW TO OPERATE THE INSIDE FUNCTIONS AND SETUP MY FORDPASS APP ON MY IPHONE, I SAW AND SHARED WITH HIM (RICH RUANE) THAT MY TRUCK LOOKS TO HAVE A RECALL (17C12) AND WITH A DATE OF 8/28, WHICH WAS A FEW DAYS PRIOR. HE SHOOK IT OFF, I MYSELF DIDN'T CARE AS IT WAS LEFT REAR SEAT BELT AND I AM ALONE. WHEN I BROUGHT MY TRUCK BACK THE FOLLOWING WEEK ON FRIDAY TO HAVE THE WINDOWS TINTED AND SPRAY-IN BED LINER, THE DEALERSHIP NEVER CALLED ME BACK AND WAS AVOIDING ME. I DROVE THE LOANER BACK TO THE DEALERSHIP THAT NIGHT AND CONFRONTED MR. RUANE AND HE COMES OUT AND SAYS I CAN'T GIVE YOU YOUR TRUCK BACK BECAUSE IT HAS A RECALL AND SHOULDN'T HAVE TECHNICALLY SOLD IT TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE NEXT DAY I MADE SEVERAL CALLS, WAS TREATED VERY POORLY BY THE SERVICE MANAGER AS THE SALES MANAGER AVOIDED ME. AFTER THREATENING LEGAL ACTION, I WAS ABLE TO PICK MY TRUCK UP THAT SATURDAY (9/16). FIRST TACTIC AND LYING WAS THE SERVICE MANAGER TELLING ME I NEVER TOOK DELIVERY OF MY VEHICLE, AFTER CORRECTING HIM ON THAT MATTER HE THEN THREATENS TO CANCEL SALE, WHICH I REMINDED HIM THAT HAD EXPIRED AND HE COULDN'T. SINCE THEN, THE DEALERSHIP HAS CONSTANTLY BEEN CALLING AND TEXTING MY CELL PHONE FROM A VARIETY OF NUMBERS EVEN AFTER I TOLD THEM TO CEASE ALL COMMUNICATIONS WITH ME. I DON'T BELIEV

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER (VONDERAU FORD, 1912 N MECHANIC ST, EL CAMPO, TX 77437) FOR THE FIRST OIL CHANGE, THE MECHANIC NOTICED THAT THE OIL PAN LEAKED OIL. THE MECHANIC DIAGNOSED THAT THE PLASTIC OIL PAN WAS CRACKED. THE FAILURE OCCURRED WITHOUT WARNING. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT CONTACTED. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 7,300.

10 OUTSIDE. STARTED MY TRUCK AND COULDN'T OPEN THE DRIVERS DOOR FROM THE INSIDE. ROLL DOWN THE WINDOW TO OPEN THE LATCH FOR THE OUTSIDE. DOOR WOULDN'T CLOSE. THE LATCH IN THE DOOR WOULDN'T WORK. IT WOULDN'T CLICK. COULDN'T LOCK THE DOOR. DROVE WITH THE DOOR UNABLE TO CLOSE TO THE LOCAL 'NON-FORD' SHOP AND THEY SAID TO WARRANTY IT AT FORD. I DROVE AN HOUR TO FORD IN RENO WITH RATCHET STRAPS HOLDING THE DOORS TOGETHER. PROBLEM WOULDN'T DUPLICATE IN RENO (30) IN RENO. THEY WOULDN'T REPLACE PARTS IF THEY COULDN'T DUPLICATE THE PROBLEM. TURNS OUT THERE IS A RECALL FOR THIS SAME ISSUE IN OTHER F150S, BUT NOT MY VIN.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. THE CONTACT RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 17V652000 (LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES); HOWEVER, THE PARTS TO DO THE REPAIR WERE UNAVAILABLE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT IT TOOK NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS TO CLOSE THE DOOR. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE MANUFACTURER EXCEEDED A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE RECALL REPAIR. WOODHOUSE FORD (2546 SOUTH HIGHWAY 30 BLAIR, NE) WAS CONTACTED AND CONFIRMED THAT THE PARTS WERE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE RECALL REMEDY. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE ISSUE AND WAS NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM WHEN THE PARTS WERE TO BECOME AVAILABLE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 2,500. VIN TOOL CONFIRMS PARTS NOT AVAILABLE.

I OWN A 2017 F150 5.0 LITER V8 WITH 10,700 MILES PURCHASED NEW THIS YEAR.THE BRAKING SYSTEM FAILED WHILE DRIVING. THE BRAKE PEDAL LOST THE RESISTANCE AND DEPRESSED ALL IF THE WAY TO THE FLOOR, FAILING TO STOP THE VEHICLE. THE BRAKE PEDAL WOULD RETURN BACK TO THE NORMAL POSITION WHEN RELEASED. THIS HAPPENED INTERMITTANTLY ON SECONDARY ROADS FOR ABOUT 25 MILES BEFORE FAILING CONSISTENTLY. THE BRAKE PEDAL WOULD THEN DEPRESS COMPLETELY TO THE FLOOR BOARD UNTIL RELEASED. NO WARNING LIGHTS OR ALARMS ACTIVATED. THE BRAKES WOULD FUNCTION PARTIALLY AND ABNORMALLY BUT REQUIRED THE DRIVER TO 'PUMP' THE BRAKE PEDAL TO MAINTAIN PROPER PEDAL RESISTANCE AND WOULD BRING THE VEHICLE TO A STOP. IT WAS TAKED TO THE DEALERSHIP WHERE IT WAS PURCHASD AND THE MASTER CYLINDER WAS SAID TO BE LEAKING AND WAS REPLACED UNDER WARRENTY REPAIR.

WITH THE VEHICLE IN PARK, WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLE RESTING ON THE TRANSMISSION'S PARKING PAWL, OR RESTING ON THE PARKING BRAKE, WHEN THE ENGINE IS STARTED, THERE IS AN INTERMITTENT CLUNK THAT CAN BE HEARD. IT CAN VARY FROM NO CLUNK TO A VERY LOUD CLUNK THAT CAN BE HEARD FROM 40FT OR MORE. THIS CAN HAPPEN WHEN VEHICLE IS HOT, COLD, DRIVEN SHORT DISTANCES OR LONG DISTANCES, ON AN INCLINE OR NOT. THE 3 DEALERSHIPS HAVE REPRODUCED THE ISSUE, BUT HAVE CALLED IT NORMAL OR A CHARACTERISTIC. ONE DEALERSHIP'S SERVICE DIRECTOR SAYS HIS DEMO VEHICLES MAKE THE SAME NOISE AND THAT ADDING BIGGER TIRES AND A LIFT KIT MADE IT WORSE. HE ALSO SAID AND I QUOTE "BECAUSE ITS NOT ABNORMAL, THERE IS NO FIX". HE STATED THAT FORD TECHLINE SAYS ITS NORMAL AS WELL. VIDEOS I POSTED ON YOUTUBE: HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=AFFUGORBWTS 2017 F150 DRIVESHAFT CLUNKING ON ENGINE START 3 LEVEL GRADE RESTING ON BRAKE HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=5FGKIOLHCEU 2017 F150 CLUNK CAN BE HEARD 40 FEET AWAY ON STARTUP VERSION 2 HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=O8U0SDNAGS0 2017 F150 DRIVESHAFT CLUNKING ON ENGINE START 4 INCLINED RESTING ON TRANSMISSION IN PARK

DRIVING DOWN ROAD IN NEW TRUCK. TURNED ON REAR DEFROST AND 4-5 MINUTES LATER, THE BACK WINDOWS EXPLODE AND A BURNING SMELL CAME UP.

4500 MILES ON VEHICLE, NEVER TOWED ANYTHING, ONLY NORMAL CITY/HIGHWAY DRIVING, NO LONG TRIPS EVER TAKEN. WAS TURNING LEFT AT INTERSECTION AND TRANSMISSION SEEMED TO SLIP, TRUCK STILL MADE IT THROUGH, I THEN NOTICED THAT A YELLOW "WRENCH" LIGHT CAME ON, I ASSUMED THIS WAS FOR MY UPCOMING 5K MILE OIL CHANGE. I DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF THE "SLIP" AND ASSUMED IT WAS AN ANOMALY. I THEN GOT ONTO THE HIGHWAY AND NOTICED THE TRUCK WAS BEHAVING STRANGELY, POWER WAS INCONSISTENT, I ATTEMPTED TO PUT IT INTO CRUISE CONTROL AND IT REFUSED TO ACTIVATE. I GOT OFF OF HIGHWAY AND TURNED LEFT AT AN INTERSECTION, STARTING FROM A COMPLETE STOP THE TRUCK LURCHED FORWARD AND THEN SLIPPED OUT OF GEAR AND STALLED OUT IN THE INTERSECTION. IF A CAR WAS COMING I WOULD HAVE EASILY BEEN STRUCK. I LET IT SIT FOR A FEW SECONDS AND THEN THE TRANSMISSION FINALLY GOT INTO, AND STAYED IN, FIRST GEAR. AT FIRST IT WENT INTO GEAR AND THEN SLIPPED OUT OF GEAR. THIS "WRENCH" LIGHT WAS APPARENTLY A LIMP HOME MODE, ANOTHER COMPLAINT, BESIDES THE STALLING, WOULD BE THE FACT THAT THIS LITTLE YELLOW WRENCH LIGHT DOES NOTHING TO WARN ME THAT THE TRUCK IS ACTUALLY IN AN IMPAIRED STATE, A "LIMP" MODE. I WORK IN THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY AND THIS WOULD NEVER BE TOLERATED, A FUNCTION THAT HAMPERS THE NORMAL PERFORMANCE OF YOUR VEHICLE SHOULD BE EASY TO RECOGNIZE AS A WARNING, A LITTLE YELLOW WRENCH LOOKS LIKE A SERVICE LIGHT.

MY VEHICLE IS A 2017 F150 LARIET PICKUP TRUCK, THE VEHICLE IS EQUIPT WITH AN ELECTRONIC TAILGATE RELEASE. THE TAIL GATE HAS OPENED ON ME ON AT LEAST A DOZEN OCCASIONS.WHILE THE VEHICLE IS IN MOTION. THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN BACK TO THE DEALER WITH NO SATIFACTION THE DEALERSHIP HAD NO ANWER HOW TO CORRECT THIS AND THAT THERE WHERE OTHER COMPLAINTS AND THAT THERE WAS AN INDICATOR LIGHT ON PREVIOUS MODEL YEARS AND IT IS STATED IN THE OWNERS MANUAL AND. THERE IS NO WHY TO DISABLE THE TAILGATE LOCK AND THERE IS NO INDICATOR LIGHT ON THE DASHBOARD THAT THE GATE IS OPEN. THIS IS A DANGEROUS AND UNNERVING PROBLEM THAT THE FORD MOTOR COMPANY NEEDS TO BE MANDATED TO CORRECT. BEFORE AN UNSUSPECTING DRIVER IS HURT OR KILLED FROM CARGO FLYING OUT OF THE BED OF THIS VEHICLE. THERE IS AGAIN NO WAY TO LOCK THE TAILGATE...

MASTER BRAKE CYLINDER WENT OUT AT 6,267 MILES- BRAKE PEDAL WENT TO FLOOR WHILE AT INTERSECTION- WAS ABLE TO PUMP UP - HAD TO PUMP UP EVERY TIME VEHICLE WAS SHUT OFF AND FAILED ONCE AFTER PUMPING UP AT TRAFFIC LIGHT

MANUFACTURER RECALL NUMBER17S33, NHTSA RECALL NUMBER17V652, RECALL STATUSRECALL INCOMPLETE, REMEDY NOT YET AVAILABLE. STILL WAITING ON FORD TO INITIATE CONTACT REGARDING A REPAIR DATE FOR THIS SAFETY CRITICAL REPAIR. WINTER SEASON 2017-2018 IS ALREADY UPON US WITH FREEZING TEMPERATURES AND EVERY DAY WITHOUT REPAIR POSSIBLY PUTS MYSELF AND MY FAMILY IN DANGER.

I GOT IN MY TRUCK AND STARTED DRIVING. AS I APPROACHED THE INTERSECTION I STARTED TO BRAKE. THE BRAKES WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THE TRUCK DID NOT BRAKE. I ENDED UP PAST THE STOP SIGN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION. I TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK SLOWLY TO MY HOUSE. I ALMOST HIT A PEDESTRIAN WHERE THE TRUCK DID NOT BRAKE.

THE ENGINE SHUT OFF AND THE TRUCK ROLLED TO A STOP. MEANWHILE, SEVERAL WARNING MESSAGES FLASHED ON THE INSTRUMENT PANEL AND SMOKE BEGAN POURING FROM UNDER THE HOOD. I GOT OUT AND LOOKED UNDER THE VEHICLE AND SPARKS WERE PROFUSELY FLYING. I WALKED AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE AND THE ENGINE IGNITED WITHIN 5 SECONDS. THE ENTIRE INCIDENT OCCURRED WITHIN 10-15 SECONDS. THE VEHICLE WAS TOTALED.

I WAS COMING UP TO A STOP LIGHT AND APPLIED THE BRAKES. THE PEDAL WENT TO THE FLOOR AND THE VEHICLE WAS NOT STOPING. I RELEASED THE BRAKE PEDAL AND PUSHED IT AGAIN. THIS TIME THE VEHICLE STOPPED. I IMMEDIATELY PULLED OVER AND CHECKED THE BRAKE FLUID AND IT WAS FULL.

I BOUGHT A BRAND NEW F-150, AND STILL AM NOT ABLE TO GET THE KEYS TO IT BECAUSE OF A RECALL. THERE IS NO DATE AS TO WHEN THIS RECALL WILL BE FIXED, AND I AM VERY DISPLEASED WITH THE LACK OF INFORMATION I AM GETTING ON WHEN I WILL GET THE KEYS TO A VEHICLE I AM SPENDING $65,000 ON. I WANT TO KNOW WHEN THIS RECALL PART WILL BE FIXED SO I CAN TAKE OWNERSHIP OF MY VEHICLE.

THE WINDSHIELD WIPERS MALFUNCTION DUE TO THE STEEL KEY STOP FALLING OUT OF THE KEYWAY CAUSING THE WIPERS TO BOUNCE AND LOOSE CONTACT WITH THE WINDSHIELD IMPENDING VISIBILITY DURING HEAVY AND LIGHT RAIN THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY A FORD DEALER WHO INFORMED ME AT PRESENT FORD INDICATES THAT THIS CONDITION IS UNREPAIRABLE .THE PRESENT DESIGN WHERE THE KEY IS INSERTED INTO THE WIPER ARM AND NOT THE KNURLED KNOB OF THE WIPER ARM TRANSMISSION HAS AN INHERENT FLAW DO TO THE FACT THAT THE KEY CAN FALL OUT DUE TO VIBERATION AND GRAVITY. WHEN WIPERS ARE OPERATING , THIS COULD RESULT IN A FATAL ACCIDENT DUE TO LACK OF VISIBILITY. THE KEY CAN FALL OUT WHEN THE VEHICLE IS MOVING OR STATIONARY. NOW TO ADDRESS THE PAINT ISSUES , THE PAINT ON THIS NEW VEHICLE IS PITTING AND FLAKING OFF IN SEVERAL AREAS YET FORD INSISTS THAT THIS IS NOT A WARRANTY ISSUE AND IS CUSTOMER PAY I SHORT FORD IS REFUSING TO HONOR BASIC WARRANTY ISSUES/INVOICE NUMBER C24254

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2017 FORD F-150. THE CONTACT RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 17V526000 (SEAT BELTS); HOWEVER, THE PART NEEDED FOR THE REPAIR WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE MANUFACTURER EXCEEDED A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE RECALL REPAIR. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO STIVERS FORD (EASTERN BLVD, MONTGOMERY, AL 36111, (334) 613-5000) AND THE CONTACT WAS INFORMED THAT THE PART WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE REPAIR. THE MANUFACTURER WAS CONTACTED AND DID NOT KNOW WHEN THE PART WOULD ARRIVE. THE CONTACT HAD NOT EXPERIENCED A FAILURE. VIN TOOL CONFIRMS PARTS NOT AVAILABLE.

ROOF OF TRUCK HAD BAD PAINT CORROSION, LIKE SOMETHING WAS UNDER IT WHEN PAINTED. PRIMER SHOWING THROUGH. WAS NOT NOTICED AT TIME OF BUYING AS WE WEREN'T ON A LADDER TO SEE THE ROOF.

TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS I WAS DRIVING 65 ON THE FREEWAY, THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT STARTED VIOLENTLY SHAKING. THE CAR LOST ACCELERATION AND FLASHED THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT. ADDITIONALLY I WILL BE SITTING AT STOP LIGHTS AND YOU WILL GET THE SAME SHAKING FROM THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT.

VEHICLE IS PRESENTLY OUT OF SERVICE FOR IT'S 3RD REPAIR ATTEMPT OF THE SAME TRANSMISSION RELATED NON-CONFORMITY AND HAS BEEN SO FOR GREATER THAN A CUMULATIVE 30 DAYS AS OF 10/4/17. THE SAME SAFETY ISSUES OCCURRED UNDER IDENTICAL DRIVING CONDITIONS MULTIPLE TIMES WHILE TRAVELING ON THE HIGHWAY. WHILE IN MOTION ON THE HIGHWAY AT APPROXIMATELY 65 MPH THE VEHICLE'S 10 SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION LOCKED UP IN 7TH GEAR. AT THE EXACT TIME THIS DEFECT OCCURRED THE 'CHECK ENGINE' ALARMS AND DASHBOARD LIGHTS SOUNDED. THEREAFTER, THE VEHICLE WAS UNABLE TO DOWNSHIFT OR UPSHIFT FROM 7TH GEAR NO MATTER WHAT SPEED. THEN VEHICLE ENGINE STALLED COMPLETELY ONCE MANEUVERED TO AN EXIT RAMP AND SLOWED TO A POINT WHERE 7TH GEAR COULD NO LONGER SUSTAIN FORWARD OPERATION. THERE IS A DOCUMENTED 1ST REPAIR ATTEMPT APPEARING TO BE THE IDENTICAL ISSUE BUT WAS MADE PRIOR TO MY TAKING POSSESSION OF THE NEW VEHICLE. THE SECOND OCCURRED ON 8/29/17 AT 427 MILES ON VEHICLE. AND THE 3RD ON 9/14/17 AND HAS BEEN IN SERVICE THROUGH PRESENT DAY. TO DATE REPAIR ATTEMPTS HAVE INCLUDED IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER: REPLACING "ALL 4 SPEED SENSORS TO TRANSMISSION AND THE TRANSMISSION INTERNAL HARNESS"; REPLACING "TCM - TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE"; AND IN PROGRESS (INCOMPLETE) REPLACING THE TCM "HARNESS". THE FIRST TWO REPAIR ATTEMPTS HAD ZERO POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE SAFETY RELATED NON-CONFORMITY, AND THE 3RD 'IN-PROGRESS' STILL HAS YET TO BE COMPLETED PAST THE 30 DAYS OUT-OF-SERVICE PERIOD.

THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A "BRAKE LIGHT" SIGN TURN ON INSIDE DASHBOARD, AND THE BRAKES DO NOT BRAKE WHILE IT IS IN MOTION. WHEN I STEP ON THE BRAKE PAD, THE PAD GOES ALL THE WAY IN BUT DOES NOT STOP MY VEHICLE AT ALL. IT WORKS SOMETIMES, BUT MY STOPPING IS NOT GUARANTEED EVERY TIME. ALSO, WHEN I AM AT A RED LIGHT, MY ENGINE IS SUPPOSED TO SHUT DOWN THEN START BACK UP ONCE I RELEASE THE BRAKES (2017 F150). HOWEVER, MY ENGINE DOES NOT SHUT DOWN AT ALL. I HAVE BEEN TO THE DEALER A FEW TIMES AND HAD MY VEHICLE SERVICED, HOWEVER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. NOW, MY DEALERSHIP IS AVOIDING ME BY NOT PICKING UP MY PHONE CALLS. I AM AFRAID TO DRIVE ON THE ROAD WITH THIS VEHICLE FOR MY SAFETY, AND THE SAFETY OF OTHERS.

THE VEHICLE WAS BOUGHT BRAND NEW IN CORPUS CHRIST, TX BACK IN APRIL 2017. AUGUST 26, 2017, I WAS ON MY WAY TO COLORADO AND REALIZE MY BREAK PEDAL WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR AND SUDDENLY LOSE BRAKING ABILITY SIMULTANEOUSLY, WHICH WOULD BE A DISASTER IF AN EMERGENCY BRAKE IS NECESSARY IN SOME SITUATION. FORTUNATELY, IT HAPPENS WHEN I WAS ON A PARKING LOT TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE MAIN ROAD FROM A SHORT BREAK. I DID NOT TAKE IT VERY SERIOUS AS THERE IS ONLY ABOUT 4500 MILES ON THE TRUCK, AND THE BRAKE DID FUNCTION OKAY WHEN YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN ON HIGHWAY (I MEAN SLOW DOWN, NOT TO MAKE A STOP), BUT NOT UNTIL I ALMOST HIT A PEDESTRIAN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN DENVER. AFTER THAT, I HAD TO BE VERY VERY VERY VERY CAREFUL WHENEVER I NEED TO PERFORM A BRAKE SINCE I REALIZE IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR THE VEHICLE TO MAKE A COMPLETE STOP EVEN DRIVING IN NEIGHBORHOOD AT ABOUT 25 MPH. THE BRAKE PEDAL WOULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN EVEN WHEN YOUR TRANSMISSION IS AT PARK. SO I CANCELLED EVERYTHING I PLANNED IN COLORADO AND STAYED HOTEL FOR 2 DAYS UNTIL CORPUS WAS CLEARED FROM HURRICANE HAZARD. I DROVE THE VEHICLE BACK VERY VERY VERY VERY CAREFULLY AND SENT IT TO THE DEALER THE NEXT DAY WHEN I GOT HOME, WHICH WAS THURSDAY AUGUST 31, 2017. THE TECH IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM AS MASTER CYLINDER FAILURE AND GOT THE MASTER CYLINDER ORDERED AND REPLACE ON SEPTEMBER 8, 2017. I UNDERSTAND THE DEALER IS VERY BUSY BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE THEY MANAGE TO GIVE ME A LOANER VEHIC

ON 08/07/2017 WHILE TRAVELING APPROXIMATELY 55 MILES PER HOUR ON HIGHWAY 281 IN SAN ANTONIO, TX MY 2017 FORD F-150, V8 SUPER CREW, 4X4 FTX EXPERIENCED COMPLETE BRAKE FAILURE. MY BRAKES WENT TO THE FLOOR WITH NO BRAKE ACTIVATION AND I HAD TO SWERVE TO THE LEFT TWO LANES TO AVOID IMPACTING THE VEHICLES IN FRONT OF ME. ONCE ON THE SHOULDER I HAD TO PUMP THE BRAKES IN ORDER TO STOP AFTER TRAVELLING SEVERAL HUNDRED YARDS. THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO WARNING (NOISE, SERVICE LIGHTS, ETC.) PRIOR TO, DURING OR AFTER THE BRAKE FAILURE. THE VEHICLE WAS ONLY FOUR MONTHS OLD WITH 6400 MILES ON IT. IF THERE WAS NO SHOULDER OR CLEAR LANES IT WOULD HAVE CAUSED A SEVERE ACCIDENT LIKELY RESULTING IN INJURIES. I WAS ABLE TO SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY MAKE MY WAY TO THE DEALERSHIP ON SIDE ROADS BUT EXPERIENCED TOTAL BRAKE FAILURE THREE ADDITIONAL TIMES. THE FIRST TIME WAS WHILE I WAS STATIONARY AT A STOP SIGN FACING SLIGHTLY DOWNHILL MY BRAKE PEDAL WENT COMPLETELY TO THE FLOOR AND I HAD TO PUMP IT SEVERAL TIMES TO MAKE THE VEHICLE STOP AGAIN. THE OTHER TWO TIMES I WAS TRAVELING APPROXIMATELY 25 MILES PER HOUR AND MISSED MY TURN (RIGHT) AND PROCEEDED PAST THE TURN APPROXIMATELY 50 YARDS AND HAD TO PUMP THE BRAKES IN ORDER TO STOP. THE DEALERSHIP HAD TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE MASTER BRAKE CYLINDER. THEY INDICATED IT WAS LEAKING INTERNALLY AND GAVE NO EXPLANATION WHY A SERVICE LIGHT OR OTHER WARNING DID NOT COME ON AND THERE IS NO CURRENT RECALL FOR THAT PART.

FOR THE SECOND TIME IN TWO MONTHS, I HAVE HAD TO RETURN THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER BECAUSE A HOSE COMES OFF THE AIR BAG. THIS CAUSES AN ALARM AND CAUSES THE PASSENGER AIR BAGS TO FAIL. THIS CHRONIC FAILURE PUTS THE PASSENGER AT RISK ANY TIME IT DECIDES TO FAIL. IF THE DRIVER DOES NOTE THE SMALL LIGHT, THEY COULD OPERATE FOR YEARS WITH NO PASSENGER PROTECTION. THIS SHOULD BE PERMANENTLY FIXED. TWICE IN TWO MONTHS IS A CHRONIC FAILURE AND MAY BE A DESIGN FLAW.. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, IT IS THAT WAY MOVING, STANDING STILL OR IDLING.

THE BRAKES WENT COMPLETELY OUT. THEY REPLACED THE MASTER CYLINDER, UPON GETTING IT BACK THE BRAKES FAILED TO STOP ADEQUATELY, AND IT WAS RETURNED AT THAT MOMENT. THEY "BLED THE BRAKES" AGAIN AND RETURNED IT. THERE WAS ONLY 1 WORK ORDER FOR THIS. THE TRUCK SAT FOR A WEEK AND NOT THE BRAKES ARE SOFT AND INCONSISTENT. I RETURNED IT TO FORD AND THEY STATED IT WAS WORKING AS EXPECTED; HOWEVER IN A PANIC STOP THE BRAKES FAILED TO DO MORE THAN 50% STOP EFFORT AND ON ANOTHER OCCASION I PRESSED THE PEDAL TO THE FLOOR, AND HAD HARDLY ANY BRAKE. I TOOK IT BACK TO THE FORD DEALER AND THEY SAID THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG. SINCE THEY DID NOT TAKE IT IN FOR SERVICE THERE IS NO RECORD OF THIS THIRD ATTEMPT TO GET THE BRAKES FIXED. I THEN CALLED THE FORD CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE AND THEIR ANSWER IS JUST TO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS VEHICLE IS DANGEROUS AND IT FALLS OUTSIDE THE RECALL NOTICE FOR A REPLACEMENT MASTER CYLINDER. HOWEVER THAT IS THE INITIAL FAILURE. I SUSPECT ADDITIONAL ISSUES; BUT FORD IS FAILING TO ADDRESS THEM.

I REAR ENDED ANOTHER VEHICLE AT AROUND 35MPH. THE FRONT AIRBAGS DEPLOYED. WITHIN 2 MINUTES WE NOTICED THAT THE TRUCK WAS ON FIRE. THE FIRE ORIGINATED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DRIVER SIDE B PILLAR. MYSELF, ONE WITNESS, AND ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ALL SAW WHERE THE FIRE STARTED. THE TRUCK FRONT AND CAB WERE TOTALLY BURNED UP WITHIN 5 MINUTES. NO ONE WAS HURT DUE TO THE FIRE.

THE DAY AFTER I BOUGHT THE VEHICLE, THE CROSS TRAFFIC AND BLIND SPOT SENSORS FAILED. THE DEALERSHIP HAS BEEN UNABLE TO FIX THE PROBLEM. FORD TOLD THE DEALERSHIP TO REPLACE PARTS, BUT THE PARTS ARE NOT AVAILABLE AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WILL BE.

THE CURRENT F150 IS NEARLY INVISIBLE FROM DIRECTLY BEHIND. THE LED RUNNING LIGHTS ONLY MAKE UP MAYBE 2% OF THE REAR END AREA, ARE FAR APART, AND APPEAR SO DIM FROM DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT THE TRUCKS ARE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE IN FOG OR POOR LIGHTING. THE TAILS LIKE MIGHT LOOK BIG ENOUGH IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A 45 DEGREE ANGLE, HOWEVER NOT FROM BEHIND DIRECTLY.

I WAS DRIVING AND WHEN I NEED TO MAKE A HARD STOP, THE BRAKE PEDAL WENT TO THE FLOOR. I HAD TO USE THE EMERGENCY BRAKE TO HELP SLOW ME DOWN. WHILE THERE IS SOME BRAKING, IF YOU ARE STOPPED AND PUSH HARD ON THE BRAKES, THE PEDAL GOES TO THE FLOOR.